Curse

cyrus_tk · Dec 19, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

LOL (stressy)

ultima desturcto · Dec 19, 2006, 08:15 AM // 08:15

kk, guys dont get immature,
I tweaked your build slightly, making it E/D, For the obvious reason, Mystic regen (personally adore), mines fairly similar to Nechtans as far as Earth spells, this is what i have:

Enchanted Haste
Sandstorm
Sliver Armor
Obsidian Flame
Earth Attunement
Armor of Earth
Stoneflesh Aura
Mystic Regeneration

Mystic Regen provides all healing needs and counters degen, although its only poisoned and bleeding i still found myself running low on health at the end, and even died once

drumer1029 · Dec 19, 2006, 08:37 AM // 08:37

I'm using an E/R EoE build, and it seems to work really well.

Earth: 16 (12+3+1)
Energy Storage: 9 (8+1)
Beast Mastery: 10
Wilderness Survival: 2

Sandstorm{E}
Glyph of Restoration
Armor of Earth
Stone Stirker
Stoneflesh Aura
Aura of Restoration
Storm Chaser
Edge of Extinction

Same tactics...run past first group, spawn, run past the 2/3 across the bridge. Then wait for them to group up, enchant yourself, agro and target boss. Use Storm Chaser when low on energy(only need to use it once) Hit EoE, Sandstorm, then hit the boss with Sandstorm again to finish him off.

Got 2 bows, 3 golds, and a few dyes in around 10-15 runs so far. Great place to farm.

cyrus_tk · Dec 19, 2006, 04:39 PM // 16:39

I like the idea of adding dervish as a secondry BUT doesnt that take a little longer.? seeing as your not echoing Sandstorm?

The Ranger secondry maybe a good idea if you add serpents quickness into it to make sandstorm recharge faster?

Former Ruling · Dec 19, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyrus_tk

I like the idea of adding dervish as a secondry BUT doesnt that take a little longer.? seeing as your not echoing Sandstorm?

The Ranger secondry maybe a good idea if you add serpents quickness into it to make sandstorm recharge faster?

You only need to cast Sandstorm once...Even in the Ranger/Ele varient where you only have 14 earth (12+2 from ele power).

I was wondering why you even wasted slots on echo'ing your Sandstorm when you could just bring EoE and watch everything explode instantly (which is much more fun to watch IMO

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cyrus_tk · Dec 19, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Im just thinking of speed. and Economy. Ok if its fun to watch but takes ages its not worth it. Im just thinking speed.

drumer1029 · Dec 19, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57

It's faster with EoE to take down the boss, it leaves him with low enough health where you could wand him to death(or just cast sandstorm again)

Former Ruling · Dec 19, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyrus_tk

Im just thinking of speed. and Economy. Ok if its fun to watch but takes ages its not worth it. Im just thinking speed.

You implying mine is slower?

Its even like 5-10 secs faster because In that video you had to Stone Daggers Fastfoot to death at the end...when he just EXPLODES at the end in mine >_>

Why are you bashing all the varients that are showing up in the build.

cyrus_tk · Dec 20, 2006, 09:20 AM // 09:20

Im hardly bashing them. I just feel that 2 sandstorm is faster.

Nechtan Thaumaturge · Dec 20, 2006, 12:14 PM // 12:14

I agree that Arcane Echo + Sandstorm will be faster than a single Sandstorm any day, but the EoE versions are quite quick, however. Don't be misled by the 5-second cast on the Edge of Extinction, because you can set that up while the Nephilia are grouping.

So, to throw some numbers onto the debate, the best time I could manage with my build was 2:20 -- that's starting from the load up and finishing with /resign. So, it takes into consideration all of the time required to run out to the farming site, wait for the Nephilia to collect, fight the battle, and pick up the drops afterward. I think it's the fairest measure of the speed of a build because it considers all the factors which bear, not just battle times.

I don't have a Ranger to test Former Ruling's build, but if he can reliably kill everything at the finale of Earthquake, then his times should be about 5-10 seconds faster than mine.

The best I could manage with the original build (slightly modified) was 2:32. I found that I could survive having only Glyph of Restoration if I killed everything quickly, so I took out Aura of Restoration and fitted in Storm Djinn's Haste. Also, I didn't set up the armor enchantments when I ran through the Ntouka. Doing these two things saves about 20 seconds.

The reason then that the build is marginally slower doesn't have to do with cast times or the potency of the skills involved but the fact that you'll almost always have a couple of Nephilia that scatter from the Sandstorms. Edge of Extinction takes care of these automatically, whereas the Arcane Echo build needs to finish them off with Stone Daggers or additional Sandstorms.

None of this is meant to be too critical of cyrus_tk's work -- let's face it, he got the ball rolling in the first place. Also, regardless of whichever build is fastest, it's never a bad thing to have options, especially for people who don't have access to certain secondaries or skills.

cyrus_tk · Dec 20, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

I will record a video later with the EoE build Just to test but before then i cannot give constuctive criticism. So i am going to just have to agree.

drumer1029 · Dec 20, 2006, 08:18 PM // 20:18

You have a good point there Nechtan, the difference is only a matter of seconds, so either build is good. It's all a matter of personal preference IMO.

isabeau · Dec 20, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

Hi,

I do this run with an E/Mo and fire skills

works great

Former Ruling · Dec 20, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Yes, for the sake of not arguing...both runs are fine.

But for sake of having some real numbers to go by:

In your video you used your first enchantment for engaging them at 2:14 and you kill the last monster at ~3:16. That means it took you just over a minute to clear them after first engaged. For Fairness though, the last one you kill there had not been in the Double Sandstormed group, the last of those died at 2:55, so I won't count him, and I'll record your time as 41 Seconds (The time from which you first put up your enchantments to the time the last one dies [not counting the one that wasnt in the sandstorms]).

I've Made a short video of my Ranger EoE build.
*Video will be processed on Youtube at some point*
Filefront Link for in the mean time

*In the video I brought Antidote Signet instead of Stoneflesh Aura, and Run as One instead of Storm Chaser*

For the sake of Fairness since I counted you enchanting up in your time, I have waited until they are bunched up and factored the EoE casting into my time (without your enchanting up or my EoE casting factored in several secs are shaved from both our times).

I Engage them at the start of the video and the last one dies at 23 seconds. That means mine shaved almost half your time off (Battle time that is, not run time).

Even not factoring your Clean Up time, Fastfoot (as well as the majority of the spiders) dies in your vid at 2:44. Thats 30 Seconds from when you started enchanting up. Now for sake of a complete comparison...lets not even factor in your enchanting up in your time, you throw the first Stone Daggers to aggro them at 2:20. Meaning still a longer time of 24 secs for you.

I didn't count running to and bunching up the enemies since in your video you clearly waste alot of time enchanting up before the beasts and not having a run buff, and this comparison is completly time based and doesn't include other information.

In conclusion, just like we said, I'll quote nechtan on this

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The reason then that the build is marginally slower doesn't have to do with cast times or the potency of the skills involved but the fact that you'll almost always have a couple of Nephilia that scatter from the Sandstorms. Edge of Extinction takes care of these automatically, whereas the Arcane Echo build needs to finish them off with Stone Daggers or additional Sandstorms.

Lalita · Dec 21, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Super easy run, thanks so much for taking the time to post the video. Its just so much easier to learn things that way!